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Turning Small Niches Into Big Business

October 3, 2007 Posted under: Making Money Online by Caroline Middlebrook

sales chartFollowing on from the Thirty Day Challenge, I have decided to really go for it with niche marketing and I am currently working on three niches at once and documenting the progress on this blog. But at the back of my mind I have often wondered where I can go with this. Am I doomed to be spending my days writing articles about toenail clipping? The last week or so have brought me some new insights into how small niches can be turned into serious business with the income to match.

I Need a Plan, Gimme the Plan

I am very much a thinker and a dreamer. I lie awake at night mulling over ideas and possibilities in my mind. I get an idea and I project it forward into the future thinking about the potential that it has. One of the reasons that it has taken me so long to really get started on my 3 niches is because I had to know up front that I had the ability to generate a large amount of content in each niche.

I quit my day job as a software engineer so that I could follow my dreams and I’ll admit that when I first handed in my resignation, I didn’t really have a clue what I was going to do. I just knew that I had to quit. Thankfully, in the weeks following I started to formulate a plan in my head and I now have short, medium and long term plans for my future. The short term plan is this niche marketing.

What Exactly Do I Mean by Niche Marketing?

A niche is a small (or not so small) segment of a market. Health is a market. Foot care is a niche within the health market. Toenail clipping is a niche within the foot care market. The idea of niche marketing is that you create some kind of web property – a blog, a website, or even just externally hosted pages, such as Squidoo lenses (that’s the technique I am using as taught in the 30DC) that provides content related to that niche. So I could write a guide on how to clip your toenails.

By picking the keywords that you use carefully, you should get traffic to that page. Now all you need is something to sell. You may have your own product or you may sell somebody else’s as an affiliate. I might sell some toenail clippers for this example. That is the very basics of what I mean ny niche marketing – selling some product in a tightly focused niche.

Turning Those Web Properties Into a Regular Income Stream

If you followed along with the 30DC you’ll know that many people made money from just having a handful of pages of content in a niche selling somebody else’s product. But I remember at the time that as the month went by many people were asking in the forums how this grows into a sustainable business. After all, just finding a niche in which there are good enough keywords for you to get traffic for can be a huge job in itself. If the page you create only gets 50 visitors a day and you need perhaps a few hundred to get one sale, it doesn’t seem like there’s any big money to be made.

Let me make one thing clear – working in this way is hard work. This is not some get rich quick scheme. Now if you are prepared to put in that hard work then the next stage is to really expand on this technique. Target multiple phrases, create lots and lots of content and put it all over the web on different platforms. Link those pages together to get more backlinks. If you put it enough work, perhaps you’ll get a sale every day. Now you have a decent income stream. All of this is taught in the Thirty Day Challenge training page – go sign up and join in, it’s free.

Growing the Stream Into a Business

At this point, you have a bunch of web properties out there that are all driving traffic to some affiliate page and making you some money. But you’re leaving money on the table here because once the traffic is gone it’s lost forever. As the saying goes, “The money is in the list!”

If you’ve hit a good market that is profitable then you’ll want to develop your own content site (ie your own domain, not just a Squidoo lens), and start building a list. Perhaps you’ll even make your own Info product. Now during your research you may have found several niches that relate to each other. For example in my 3 niche experiment, the last two are highly related and last week whilst researching content for one of them I stumbled across a third related niche that has its own products and good traffic numbers.

From here you can start taking the next step towards building your own mini empire in the niche. Your content site can sell it’s own products, or still sell affiliate products but now all those pages are linking back to your site so over times it becomes an authority site which will draw more traffic from the search engines. You can be building email lists on all those pages and you can begin to cross-market your products to the related niches.

Now you’ve moved from having a small income stream from a few pages of external content into a thriving business. This is all taught in the Immediate Edge site. Dan posted a diagram from the Immediate Edge to the Thirty Day Challenge training pages that shows how all of this fits together. This is the affiliate marketing network diagram, you need to be registered on the 30DC site to grab the full sized version, here is a snapshot:

affiliate marketing network

Take the Small Business to the Next Level

There was one thing that still bothered me about this whole idea – unless I have a huge personal interest in the market in which these niche sites are operating, it’s going to be tedious work maintaining them. If one of these business brings in a revenue stream of say $1000 a month, that’s decent money but it’s not enough to pay the bills on it’s own. You could replicate the process and create half a dozen similar businesses but then you’re going to be giving yourself a full time job looking after them all.

I’m subscribed to the StomperNET newsletter. I’m not really sure why, as I can’t afford a subscription to it but at the moment Ed Dale is doing a series about buying and selling websites. In today’s edition he put together a rather cute comic book that explained the process. I’m sure he wont mind me promoting this for him!

When I saw this, the bigger picture fell into place. You don’t maintain those sites forever, you build them up and then sell them! In Ed’s comic book he uses an example of perhaps taking two months to take a site and build it up to a monthly income of $1000. He then presents a simple formula for valuing a site – two years income. So if it is generating $1000 a month, it’s worth $24k.

I don’t know how that works if you have a whole network of sites, I imagine that you’d build one authoritative site in each niche which fed off all the smaller pages that you built first. As you can see I’m thinking out loud here.

If you build the sites and then sell them, it frees you of the time it would take to maintain them. Of course, if you sell the sites then you no longer have that revenue stream, but you have a lump sum instead. Now what Ed does, is not only sells sites but he buys them too. I’ll talk more about that in a minute.

To Sell or Not to Sell, That is the Question

It comes down to that old adage that time is money. If you have a site that is now earning $1000 a month, you have to ask yourself how much time it takes to maintain it. Let’s say that it takes an hour a day to maintain. Then assuming you had absolutely nothing else to do with your time, and assuming an 8 hour work day, you could maintain 8 similar websites which would give you an income of $8000 per month, or $96k a year. Nice.

Hitting the Earnings Ceiling

But here you’ve hit a ceiling. You’re now spending all of your time maintaining these niche websites and you don’t have any time left to build more. You are in essence back to the day job mentality of trading your time for cash and you just ran out of time. $100k a year is a nice income, but we want more than that don’t we :-) Of course we could always outsource the maintenance but that’s more to manage in itself.

In Ed’s example, he assumes a time period of 2 months to develop a site to $1000 a month in revenue but that is from buying a site that has already been partially developed. Let’s assume for now that you’re still developing sites from scratch and it’s going to take 3 months to go from $0 to $1000 a month. Note these are purely speculative figures – I’ve still not made my first sale yet so I don’t know how long it takes.

So, in 3 months you have a site worth $24k that you can sell. Now if you keep it, it will suck up some of your time in maintenance so if you wanted to repeat the process it would probably take you longer to build up the next one. So let’s assume that you sell it. $24k for 3 months work. If you are able to repeat that 4 times over throughout the year that’s also $96k for one year but this time it’s $96k in a single year. If you were keeping your sites it would take longer than a year to build up to that ceiling because every new site would bring extra maintenance costs which means the next site would take progressively longer to develop. I could do the math, but you get the idea. The essence is, selling gives you the money NOW.

Selling = Buying Power

In my example, I am assuming that you are doing all the work from scratch and as you can see from the example, you still hit a ceiling of $96k a year but what Ed is advocating is to BUY and sell. If after 3 months you have a site that’s generating $1000 a month, you now have an income but you have no buying power. It will take you a long time to generate enough spare income to be able to be able to re-invest it.

n the other hand, if you sell that first one once it’s developed you have $24k cash in the bank and that gives you buying power. If you buy a site that has already been started you save yourself a ton of time, and time is our bottleneck. The more money you have, the bigger and more powerful sites you can buy and the more profit you can turn over all.

Of course there are risks – what if you shell out a load of cash for a site and then you can’t improve upon it? Well then I guess you suck as an Internet marketer :-) But in all seriousness, if you get to a position where you are able to pay big money for sites then you will have already proved yourself wouldn’t you? You wouldn’t be there if you hadn’t already done it several times over.

The Money is in the Multiples

The standard formula for valuing a website is value = 2 years income. You may have heard how Ed sold 38 websites for $5m. The cool thing is, the sites did not sell for 2 years worth of revenue, but 8 years worth! Obviously this is where Ed’s expertise in this area pays off and that’s why he charges so much for Dominiche! But imagine the possibilities if you can buy cheap websites, rejuvenate them and them sell them for many times the revenue they earn. It’s like real estate but for the web. That’s a nice way to make a living!

Looking Forward to the Future

This whole idea excites me because I see it as a way of investing time and energy now into creating some capital that can support me while I try out other ventures. My ideal goal is to make a living developing software but software takes a lot of time to build and I have to eat and pay the mortgage in the meantime. But what if I was able to use these techniques for a year to bring in some up front cash? If I could get to a point where I had generated enough income to support myself for a year, I could dive into the software development business knowing that I could support myself along the way.

What do you think? Does this sound like a bunch of marketing hype? Do you think it’s better to keep the sites for yourself and outsource the maintenance of them? Do you think buying and selling is just a mugs game?


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13 Comments:

Caroline Middlebrook
October 4, 2007

@Kim, I had never thought of it in terms of assets and liabilities, that’s a good way of putting it. I’m not sure how the branding aspect applies though as at the moment I am using psuedo-names for the niches, not my own.

Barbra Sundquist
October 4, 2007

I think the figure of $0 to $1000 a month after 3 months is overly-optimistic. Not saying it isn’t a good strategy; I just think it’s going to take longer for most people.

Emma Middlebrook
October 4, 2007

@Barbra
You should never think like that, in this world you do have to realistic but thinking like that is making sure that you never achieve that. Aim for the high ground but don’t be disheartened if you fall short of it. Just keep pushing and you may surprise yourself one day..

Think in terms of football, every striker will set a target of 20 goals a season. Only a handful will achieve that and some might exceed it. If you were to say only set a lesser more realistic goal of 10, you’d probably only achieve 10 and no more..

Emma

Caroline Middlebrook
October 4, 2007

@Barba, the figure itself or the timeframe doesn’t matter really. The point is that once you’ve developed a certain revenue level (whatever that may be) you may be better off selling the site than continuing with it. Obviously the time and revenue will vary wildly.

@Emma, aye that’s good positive thinking :-)

Peter
October 5, 2007

Firstly I just want to expand on your niche definition to make sure it is totally clear. As you say, a niche is NOT just a small subset of a market.

There was a superb definition but I can’t find it now. So from memory;

A niche is a section of a market where there is a “demand” for something which does not currently exist and hence has low competition.

So the 2 main factors, a demand – aka an urge to spend money (not an interest, but a potential sale) and a “need” or “desire” which YOU can fulfill with a product or service.

Of course, it can be more of a vertical market thing, where you re-purpose something to meet a need that isn’t normally fulfilled by that existing entity.
i.e. selling toe nail clippers as a highly portable wire cutter for electricians or model makers. (not recommended BTW but as an illustration – it s a cross market application that was never intended, that you are now presenting as a solution, to the “desire” (need/requirement) to cut wire. i.e. It might be superior to proper wire cutters because of the foldaway portable design.)

So niche = a solution which doesn’t already exist (en mass) to fulfill a need/desire/requirement.

This is the “money common sense” that most would-be niche marketeers seem to miss! It is not about finding a key phrase that nobody else is using! It is about that, but only as an entry point for the “missing solution to a need”. The actual niche.
If people do not want/need it, or they won’t pay for it, then it is not a niche business. It is just a unfulfilled thought.

Now erm. I must be missing something here (as usual);

So promoting several niche products you are not interested is bad, because it is hard work to make big bucks.

But buying several web sites (topic you are not interested in) and doing a makeover to flog them, is ok?
And converting a flailing website in to a HIGH traffic desirable website, full of content and with an audience with “loyalty” is not hard work?

And you can still only do so many because of the hours in a day…

Erm.

I presume you think this is better because one project can be worth 2~8 times what “YOU” can sell via it per month as a 2 year lump.
And that we are now talking about figures of $24K (for a $1000 pm revenue GENERATING site – ie 24 * 1000 = 24,000).

So excuse me for being thick…

But if one can’t drive 10 bucks of sales to an affiliate site, how does one turn a domain name dodo in to a 1000 buck per month revenue generating site? Especially if again, you have no interest or expertease in the topic?

Does this not require content? Affiliate products? Promotion? A regular loyal audience or steady stream of new traffic? And this is not hard??

I want to know that secret!

Absolutely the number 1 rule from StomperNet, when I did it’s giveaway mind melt, was do NOT become attached to your business. “Build it. Flog it. Move on.” (AYPK this is just a standard part of product life cycle marketing and is just an alternative to evolving, just to flog it and move on, while it still had some life in it to flog to some hopeful who don’t know any better.).

This would apply equally to IB-Soft (private joke with CM). Make a game empire. Flog it. Make a new empire, not just a new game!! Can you do that, emotionally?

“Build it. Flog it. Move on.” is absolutely the correct business mentality of a businessman. Richard Branson from Virgin and Cisco do it every day! Unfortunately it is not an ethos I have!

I am old school. I can only do, create and sell what I love. I still believe people buy from me because of that love. I create solutions t genuine needs I have personally. that may be why I am unsuccessful – LOL.

But otherwise I would be a used car salesman, selling old banger quick solutions. Cheap, cheerful, short term, sh*t*. And do ground hog day every day.

OK so if you are ruthless and “detached” enough, you can buy and sell domain names, with the slightly massive amount of work in between of making it at least double it’s earnings or traffics. (but why couldn’t they? why can you?). Are you so positive that taking a PR2 and turning it in to a PR3 or PR4 is really sellable? To whom? How do yo contact them?

If one is that good at web promotion, why can’t you take a virgin site and make that a PR5 from the ground up?? Brad Fallen (of stompernet) did with wedding favors! We have seen that with LLN marketing, you can get indexed within 7 days and get traffic. Blogrush (allegedly) sends us traffic. You can BUY traffic (web banners). You can web 2 viral promote to get traffic.

So what’s the problem with building traffic and converting them to “customers”? (rhetorical, i appreciate there are many problems with that).

Consider this for a moment.
Does Ed still buy and sell web sites? Yes he does because he likes to dip in to topics in this way. his mind is like that. He is eternally curious, but with a low/fast attention span (sorry Ed).

But how does he make most of his money now?
Let’s just say he doesn’t sell all of the websites he buys!
You know what he does right?

Also note in Eds dominiche teaser video, he said he did not pay for them up front, but built them up more on an escrow deposit and rental basis, so that IF it did not work, all he had lost would be x months rental, not 24K for a dud site.

Also Ed is Ed! And he has a strong team. Is there room for more Eds?
I honestly don’t know…

I have one final point, Caroline.
I appreciate making a game/game company is a mid term project and you need to eat “now”. Originally you said you could earn your pin money doing niche products. OK no w maybe you will earn your pin money buying, “developing” and selling web sites. Good luck with that!

Like you, there are a million things I want to do, that I had no time for.

But a friend once told me (yes I do actually have 3 friends) “you can only eat an elephant a spoon at a time”. He is a chef. but don’t worry, he doesn’t make elephant food!

I now (try to) apply his proverb to my life.
Rather than wait to finish 1 intensive thing, and the move on to the next, I dip in to everything in rotation. Ultimately I have several irons in several fires and continually have flames, somewhere…

Yes part of my failure is about not dedicating and focusing, but that requires faith, and money (and reputation/experience)!
But the only reason the rotation method doesn’t work, is because of the proportion of time spent in each slot and maybe the order. Not the methodology.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.
Start your software house. Start really SMALL. Run it alongside your pin money projects.

In a few months you will have a branded web site of something you can use for IB-Soft. So even if all of your niche/dominiche projects have failed, you still have a real investment to show for that time.
If it was me (thankfully you are not) I would integrate my pin money projects in to that industry market, so there is some net benefit to the empire.

There is a way of starting small with your real project. You need to find it. But I can guarantee there is a way! Like me, you are a programmer, and you understand the concepts of modularity and classes.

It’s a bit like washing 2 dishes a day. But at least by the end of the week you have an empty sink. (You’d need to see my sink to get that – LOL)

Apologies to everyone else for this long open letter. But I hope you can see how it applies to us all, in more facets of life than we may care to consider.

JM0CW.
Peter

PS damn look at all those affiliate link opportunities I wasted there – LOL

Caroline Middlebrook
October 5, 2007

@Peter, I couldn’t resist – I ran a word count on your comment, 1421 words :-)

I don’t think a market has to be new. You can still tap into an existing market with existing products and simply market them better. But yes if your chosen market does not buy then you wont make any money.

I wasn’t suggesting that rejuvenating existing sites wasn’t hard work. Everything in the world worth doing is hard work. However, starting from scratch is harder still because you have so much research to do. When you buy an existing site a lot of that groundwork is done. So it’s still hard work, but hopefully there is less time wasting.

I think that selling up is better because you can get the money more quickly, you can amass money behind you. When I quit my job I had no savings, I still don’t. My life would be a heck of a lot easier if I had a year’s worth of expenses just sitting in the bank. Then I could work for a whole year on what I wanted to do without worrying about money. That’s the big attraction for me.

I have no idea how somebody makes an existing site better. I’ve never tried. I wasn’t saying that I was some expert at all this stuff, I was merely mulling over the ideas that Ed presented. Presumably after you have developed the skills you would have an eye for a site that was not monetized to it’s full potential and could then capitalize on that.

If you are starting from scratch, you need to create ALL your content from scratch. If you buy a website, well it’s going to have a big chunk of content already right or you wouldn’t be buying it? Sure you might want to update it, improve it, add to it or whatever but there is still not as much required as building one from scratch. I’m not sure why you keep saying that this is hard, as if I had said otherwise. Of course it’s hard.

Yes I can be detached when I need to, it depends what it is. I can be detatched enough to do niche marketing, and sell the sites. However, when I write software, that’s different. That’s my passion so I only want to do what I love. This whole niche marketing thing is nothing more than a revenue stream for me. The sooner I can earn enough money to stop doing it, the better.

Again you are asking questions of me as if I am the expert. I’m not the one who wrote Domiche – you should be asking Ed those questions! You CAN take a virgin site at build that up from scratch. And of course that’s exactly what I would have to do in order to be able to sell my first site. You seem to have this mindset that one idea excludes another one. Just because I consider the possibility of buying and selling sites as an interesting business model, does not invalidate the others I have already considered.

There is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS room for somebody else. I have an abundance mindset – there is enough for everybody. It doesn’t matter how many great marketers there are in the world, there is plenty of room for one more, or a billion more.

I’ll be starting on software in January. For the next three months I will be concentrating 100% on this venture, and this blog. I have a lot of ‘getting started’ type stuff to get out of the way first, once that is done I shall have more time for additional projects.

Pete
October 5, 2007

PHEW!

This is hard work.
I’ve not got the energy now to say anything else.

Think I’ll call back later.

Peter
October 5, 2007

Who said “new”?

I meant “untapped” (or not saturated) if it was me, else it wouldn’t still be a niche (a desire/need/available market you can fulfill in a unique USP way). Most niches are old, just unrequited.

So long as it IS still all hard work, that is all that matters ;-)

Yep that’s me “one idea excludes all others” LOL.

January = software = cool !

Peter

Caroline Middlebrook
October 5, 2007

@Peter, ahh I see, I misunderstood you and thought you were suggesting that a niche would only be successful if you had something unique to market in it.

Mike
October 23, 2007

Caroline, you made an eloquent analysis and explanation of the business model that Ed and Dan have revealed in TDC. TDC and the Immediate Edge schematic rang some bells for me too.

Not so long ago I did a wonderful job of creating a brilliant web site with great content only to find I got zero traffic: no one was looking for my product.

In TDC I came up with lots of niche ideas and again no one was searching for the keyphrase, according to GTrends, but at least I didn’t build the web site or a product.

Also Dominiche looks like a good strategy, but just like flipping houses I’m not experienced enough to do the rehab. The Dominiche price is also like coming up with a house deposit.

Site clusters and flipping have great merit and hopefully I can work up to that level, one ‘check move’ at a time.

Thanks for your posts.

Caroline Middlebrook
October 23, 2007

@Mike, Yes I think the market research information in TDC was very valuable – not many people warn you about building sites in the wrong markets.

I’m not experienced enough for the Dominiche rehab either. My plan is to develop a site from scratch and make it profitable and learn about all the things needed to do rehab, and *then* buy Dominiche :-)

Hi Caroline,

I’ve been lurking here a couple of times and keep seeing you on other sites I also frequent. I have to say that for a newcomer to the Internet you are one hell of a gutsy person.
Chucking in your job and all requires a lot of determination and a brave and strong personality.

I commend you for this Caroline and not only that, you have a great ability to put your thoughts into words. It seems to me that you have already made a mark amongst other marketers and I have no doubt that you will succeed in what you set out to do.

Like you, I also have an abundance mentality and the pond is big enough for more fish. Hard work is just a by-product of success and as long as we follow our passions (which you intend to) success will inevitably happen.

This post about niche marketing is spot on and I’m currently building my own niche marketing empires. Like you I have decided to focus on 3 and I will read your updates with interest.

I wish you the very best of success and look forward to bumping into you on our journey to a better life.

Take care
Monika Mundell :-)

Caroline Middlebrook
October 24, 2007

@Monika, Thank you :-) Actually it’s not quite as gutsy as it seems. I explain a bit more behind the decision in a podcast I did recently:
http://www.caroline-middlebrook.com/blog/ive-got-a-headset-first-podcast/

I’ve moved away from my original 3 niches now. I found it difficult to focus on all three at once and I am now doing a new project which is focused on just a single niche. I have a new project page where I document my projects more clearly:

http://www.caroline-middlebrook.com/blog/projects/

Thanks for stopping by :-)


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