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January 29, 2008 Posted under: Making Money Online by Caroline Middlebrook

I seem to be on a roll at the moment bashing the IM industry in general! Last month I criticized sleazy email lists, last week I warned people not to get sucked in by promises of big bucks, then most recently expressed my dislike of sales letters.

My topic for today? …

Secrets of the Internet Marketing Gurus

A post by Ben Cook prompted me to write this post. Its not often that I disagree with Ben completely! He says that we should learn from the California Gold Rush and SHUT UP when we find something new that could be a powerful tool in our IM arsenal.

Back in October I did my first podcast and I discussed what I intended to blog about. In that podcast I talked about IM gurus who have their little marketing secrets and how it just tires me out to listen to these people harp on about the latest secret which is yours for the sum of just $xyz per month.

My opinion on that hasn’t changed. I’ll give you a concrete example. Ed Dale & Dan Raine. Two great guys - they did the Thirty Day Challenge and they run the membership site The Immediate Edge which I was a member of for two months.

Now anybody who participated in the 30DC will remember that the course was based on getting traffic by hosting content on external sites such as Squidoo and HubPages. For the original challenge a small site called Tumblr was chosen but the challenge was so large that Tumblr could not handle the load, considered many of the blogs as spam and went on a mass deletion frenzy which was later dubbed ‘Tumblrgate’.

Some people will also remember something called the ‘Squidoo Slap’. When Squidoo first came out people discovered that building a Squidoo lens (basically a page about some topic that is hosted by Squidoo) was a great way to get traffic because the lenses ranked highly in Google.

Before long many Internet Marketers (and spammers) jumped on this and Squidoo was flooded with spam lenses and Google subsequently penalised them hence the ’slap’. This is where the whole issue of ’secrets’ comes in. The premise being that you discover a site such as this that works well, you should keep it to yourself because once it becomes public then it will be destroyed.

But you see I think people are missing the point here. One thing that Ed said over and over and over again during the challenge is that Tumblr was not the only platform to use and that there were dozens. If people would only get out there and do a little research of their own then they would be set.

The trouble is that most people won’t do that - they want things handed to them on a plate. Ed only had to mention a particular site to use and literally thousands of people would take his word as gospel and go create pages on that site which inevitably caused problems.

Ed & Dan now profit by offering the Immediate Edge which they charge a monthly fee for and they promise to reveal the latest sites to use to give you an edge over the competition. But the trouble is, that if you work in this way you will always be looking for the latest secret because it will never stay a secret for very long.

Another example - Facebook Flyers. When they first came out there were glitches in the system that allowed a select few affiliate marketers to make literally thousands per day and these guys kept quiet about it until it became more public and then Facebook changed the way things worked.

So for those few who knew how to exploit something then sure, they made a ton of money in that short period of time but it then dried up and then they had to move onto the next thing. If you do that on a consistent basis - find new things before other people, then you’re onto a winner but gosh that sounds like a lot of hard work to me!

I’d be exhausted if I had to find the latest trend or the latest hot niche every week. Last week the young actor Heath Ledger died and I know many Internet Marketers jumped on this news story in order to profit from it. Now I am not debating the morals of that activity here - just the mechanics.

Heath will only die once so those people that managed to rank in the top 10 in Google in the days following his death will certainly have seen some traffic but what next? What will they do next week or next year? My point is that if your business model relies on you finding some hot trend or secret tip then you will be in a constant battle to stay a step ahead of the competition.

In my opion there’s an easier way:

Provide Value - Receive Compensation.

Discuss!

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23 Comments:

Allison Reynolds
January 29, 2008

Absolutely, and like gold prospecting, only a small percentage of places you look will be truly profitable.

I look at it like the stock market. Some stocks are high risk and some are blue chip. Blue chip will give a consistent return. High risk will give you a higher return (albeit over a shorter time).

Working smarter, not harder, would point to blue chip all the way.

I’ll add though, that regular monitoring of your investments is always prudent. Moving with the times is also necessary, some companies go down the tubes, and new ones arise.

Death to the crappy sale letter page!

So saying that, I love the thrill of the hunt and so still dabble in oddball ideas of my own. I prefer not to pay thousands of dollars for the privilege of being on a mailing list, that I won’t read because I am sick of the negative crap being spouted by a so called “guru”.

Shane
January 29, 2008

I’m kind of Ben with this one, but it depends on where you draw the line on what you’ll reveal. I’m happy telling people all day long how to succeed in their niche, but I definitely wouldn’t ever reveal my “secret sauce” and instantly create hundreds of new competitors. General principals of success are one thing, but an exact blueprint of what I’m doing and how I’m monetizing it is something different entirely.

Shane’s last blog post..How to (Really) Make Money with Domain Names

Ayopeju Falekulo
January 29, 2008

Caroline, you are quite right about running after the latest thing becoming tiresome, (but then again not knowing sometimes creates a gap, and then the inability to use what’s out there to leverage properly.) So maybe its good to know ,but not good for hopping around like a yo-yo without a solid marketing strategy in place.
And as you say, some of these “secretes” if not used wisely can be very damning especially where the Social Media Sites are concerned. Anyone with ears should listen now or learn the hard way.
Great post.

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Dee
January 29, 2008

In our mastermind group we have a mantra - real products, real people, real money. It seems the only way to build a sustainable business that doesn’t leave a bootprint on the faces of the people you have trodden on to make your way……

Dee’s last blog post..Avoid Overwhelm - Unsubscribe!

Neyma
January 29, 2008

I think it is ok to share the methods, this brings in the good karma bandwagon. but keep the specifics such as the actual site/niche to yourself.

Neyma’s last blog post..Facebook Ads - Its a Comedy Show

Sonia Simone
January 29, 2008

@Dee, that is a great mantra.

Getting in the middle of the IM crowd as they storm from one thing to another is not my idea of how to run a business. And these guys *all* have their secret sauce that they give a free report on and then sell the details for $97 or $197 or $297 or $397. It works for twenty minutes, maybe you made the price of the information product back, and back you go on the hamster wheel looking for the next thing.

You do sometimes find some lasting value. Frank Kern had a good free video recently about how to create a list–no secret sauce, all good information. I have no idea if his new product (which I imagine is very expensive) will be worth buying, and I’m not in a position to spend a few thousand dollars to find out. (The IM guru crowd would say THAT’S WHY I’M POOR, I HAVE NO GUTS.) The basics of 30DC, distributing content around the web pointing to the page you want to rank for–is good basic info. (I am not a fan of the artificial bookmarking, though, and IMO you don’t need it if your content is decent.)

I am 100% with you, Caroline. Although since I’m a communication geek, I’d probably say “Provide value, deliver and communicate that value effectively, receive compensation.”

Sonia Simone’s last blog post..Thriving in the Age of Conversation

Mark
January 29, 2008

Oooh. I like that. Real people, real products….Nice.

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Evan Hadkins
January 30, 2008

Thanks Dee, I too love that motto. (My hope is that quality will out).

Thanks for this post Caroline 100% agreement from me.

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Harold
January 30, 2008

“Provide Value - Receive Compensation.” I like that! I think you’re on the right track and it’s kinda nice hearing someone else say these things besides myself.

PS you comment about “over the top” on Explosive Cash flow was an understement… :-)

Ricardo
January 30, 2008

Just a short note to let you know that your site as an error on the url at “Back in October I did my first podcast and I discussed” The url under podcast has a double “http” and refers to another -yuck- page.

I’ve found out while trying to subscribe to your podcast.

I am new –about two weeks- into your site and have enjoyed it a lot.

My next step? follow you on twitter!

Keep it up! congratulations.

Mike Huang
January 30, 2008

Great post Caroline :)

-Mike

Mike Huang’s last blog post..See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil - Part 2

Maria Reyes-McDavis
January 30, 2008

Man, Caroline, you hit the nail on the head!
After a decade online, I can’t understand why people believe the “secret sauce” trick. Sustainable online business, that actually profits and grows appropriately, is exactly as you said - “provide value, receive compensation.”

Thanks for the great post!
M.

Maria Reyes-McDavis’s last blog post..Social Media Marketing is not a One-Size-Fits-All Solution for Online Marketing

Caroline Middlebrook
January 30, 2008

@Allison, I never thought of the stock market analogy but yes I have the same feelings there - I invest in a shares ISA and I just put the majority of my money in a fund that simply tracks the top 100 companies - its effective but relatively safe and I don’t have to think about it. Much easier than constantly chasing the latest hot stock for the extra edge.

@Dee, I like it :)

@Neyma, yes I agree I don’t tell people what my niche site is about (though I doubt it would hurt if I did to be honest!) but I enjoy telling people the techniques I use with it.

@Ricardo, oops thanks for letting me know, I’ll fix that right away.

Allen Harkleroad
January 30, 2008

I quite agree that it is wise to not share good finds on driving traffic and definitely the sales letter marketing tactic has lost it’s gloss and glamor.

Good copy, and honesty goes a lot further. I have one site left that has the sales letter format and I am working on changing it too.

Thanks for the advice Caroline!
Allen

Allen Harkleroad’s last blog post..Payday and Cash Advance Loans Equal High Interest Debt

Karen
January 30, 2008

Hi Caroline,

I totally agree with your post. I have been working for a while to discover the “best kept internet secret,” for SEO and I have failed to find the one thing that improves rankings instantly. Diligence seems to be the best answer to this dilemma.

I am to commenting here, although not new to reading. Today, I decided to get in here and mix it up with some of the best bloggers I have found.

Thanks for great information
K4

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Hendry Lee
January 30, 2008

I can’t say I am 100% disagree with people who continually search for the next new thing.

It’s kind of frustrating when starting out and if the next thing is the lowest hanging fruit, I doubt there is anything wrong with that.

Just that I would recommend that people use the money to perhaps buy their own time to work on the “real” business.

Spamming, email or search engine, is bad but there are a lot of ways to generate cash online with necessary skills and the right opportunity.

Hendry Lee’s last blog post..How to Produce Quality Content for Your Podcast

Shane
January 30, 2008

@Maria: I agree with you. If anyone’s offering to sell you the recipe for their “secret sauce,” you have to wonder why. If it’s working so well for them, why would they let you know about it and create an instant competitor? Always be skeptical of that.

Shane’s last blog post..How to (Really) Make Money with Domain Names

Peter Buick
January 30, 2008

Caroline
I concur that following the latest trick or fad for the sake of it is not a good business (or time) technique.

But there will always be lazy people who think there is a magic instant gratification button and sadly these sorts of “fads” are aimed at these more gullible people.

Usually once these “tricks” are released publicly, if they ever even did work, they are pretty much spent up now. A but like someone giving you the last now stale and broken biscuit.

Erm. how generous…

I guess we’ve all wondered why no one says “and it is still working for me today” and even if they did, why would they be sharing (losing) their edge and getting competitors, UNLESS selling the technique was worth more to them than using it themselves. (read that again)

I think nearly everyone can has seen through the “I’m giving back” and “I’ve made enough money now” and the classic “I’m fed up with all these other con men conning you, so here I am spilling the real beans as I’m a nice guy and I had a mother”.

Some of these exact claims may be ringing a bell with you!

But we can’t dismiss new stuff completely. the Internet does evolve. So what we need to pay attention to is not the “now” buzz, but the underlying technique we can adapt and apply ourselves to future stuff. And then it is our unique and personal edge, and then we can keep it quiet and to ourselves.

For instance, regardless of the cons and pros of Frank Kern’s Mass Control course at thousands of dollars, some of his “techniques” are even historic, and still applicable and applicable in many situations.

AKA it is not a “it will only work in the next 10 seconds” quick fix.

There are some good solid principles in there, you can re-use and adapt. The same principles you can get in a 30 buck book from a book shop, but that is another story and up to each individual as to whether they need to spend 100 times the cost of a book for a video version. Of course some people are just made of money apparently… ;-)

That’s why I like to call it “want a piece of Frank’s brain”.

Peter

Caroline Middlebrook
January 30, 2008

@Peter, yeah some of those claims do sound familiar! I agree that the Internet is continually evolving. Back when I had my first business online there was no such thing as social media like Facebook or Twitter so those things are brand new so there will always be the need for continued education but I think that’s the same in any industry. For example a programmer could not do well in that profession if he never updated his skills.

What irks me is that as soon as something new comes along such as Facebook or whatever, a million IM people jump on it to reveal all of its ’secrets’ for the low price of just $97! :-)

And yeah there will always be lazy people who do fall for this crap because they can’t be bothered to actually learn anything for themselves.

Ben Cook
January 31, 2008

Caroline, I don’t think you disagree with me completely, or at least, I don’t disagree with this post completely. I’m not saying be on this never ending quest to stay ahead of the game but I certainly think you need to do research into what works and what doesn’t. It’s just trial and error stuff and I don’t think that prevents you from providing real value. I just don’t see the point in sharing ideas that when the general public gets a hold of them will be abused and then rendered useless.

Ben Cook’s last blog post..Under the Microscope: SEOmeter.com

Caroline Middlebrook
January 31, 2008

@Ben, maybe I’m just somebody who doesn’t do much testing but so far I’ve not yet come across something that I thought I couldn’t share.

Scott
January 31, 2008

Caroline, one of the points about the Tumblr issue with the 30 day challenge often gets missed. When Ed said to use Tumblr, people questioned in the 30 day challenge forums whether or not they had to use Tumblr or could they use something else. Some of the moderators (I won’t mention who, it shouldn’t be hard to find in the forums) there said in no uncertain terms that Tumblr was supposed to be used, and Ed and his group knew what was best and they had done all the research and if we wanted results we should follow what they said. So we did. And then TumblrGate happened.

Honestly, I think it was mostly a bit of miscommunication between Ed and his group, and they had to backpedal a bit and say it wasn’t about the platform, but that was clearly what they intended at the beginning.

Caroline Middlebrook
January 31, 2008

@Scott, yes you are right, I had forgotten about that. I don’t think Ed & co realised how small Tumblr was.


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