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Integrating An Autoresponder With a Membership Site

April 23, 2009 Posted under: Making Money Online by Caroline Middlebrook

I have hit a problem on my software project and I’m hoping that I might just find the solution from one of my lovely readers :-) First of all I’ll explain what it is I’m trying to do and why.

The Freebie PreSell Using Email Lists

Recently I described how I like to make money using email lists that give something away for free and promote something within the free information. I intend to use a somewhat similar model for the membership site that I am building for my software project. The basic business model is this: I’ll have a paid membership site costing $xx a month which will provide various tools for members. In addition to the paid version I shall also offer a free membership which will have a cut down version of one of the tools.

Now of course the idea here is that I use the free membership to attract potential customers but attempt to sell the paid version to those free members and I intend to do that selling via an email list. The content of the email autoresponder sequence will be different to something such as my Bloggers Bible as I’m not offering a course this time. Instead I’ll have tips on how to use the software, show what advanced features are in the paid version etc.

But there is a problem with this approach and that is that customers are in charge of the email they receive and may unsubscribe at any time.

Integrating Email Subscriptions to Memberships

Email spam has become a huge problem in recent years and so now we have all sorts of laws in place to control it. If you are somebody who emails people using any kind of list then you need to be aware of these laws. If you use a service such as AWeber to manage your list then they are taken care of for you. There must be an unsubscribe link in every email, you must include a real postal address in every email and so on.

That unsubscribe link puts the customer in control and so if you want to keep people on your lists you must give them a very good reason to stay subscribed. That is why I have never been a fan of just giving people a free report as an incentive to sign up to your list because once they’ve downloaded it what other incentive is there to stay subscribed? I myself have frequently joined a list to get some freebie and then immediately unsubscribed. So there needs to be some inherent value in staying subscribed to the list.

In the case of my membership site what I want to do is tie in the email with the membership itself (for the free members this is). Ideally I would like the customers email address to act as their login into the membership site so the idea is that as long as they want to be a member and enjoy the benefits of the free tools, they agree to receive my emails. Now of course, because of these anti-spam laws the customer always has that option to unsubscribe from the email list at any time – that will never change but what I want to do is have that unsubscribe integrated with my site so that if the member chooses to unsubscribe from my email list, their membership is suspended at the same time.

What I’ve Tried So Far

I know this is possible because I belong to various membership sites myself that do this so I’m not sure why I’m having such trouble with it. There’s two halves to the solution really – the email list manager and the membership manager of my website. Now for the membership manager there are two ways I can do this. Firstly I can build my own system and I have already built a basic system so I know it works. This gives me full control over what happens to members on my site but to be honest I would rather use a third party system such as aMember to manage members as they have a lot of features such as integration with payment processors which will save me a lot of development work.

The other solution is to try and integrate with a third party email system such as AWeber. As it happens, AWeber is famed for its email deliverability statistics – they get more emails through than any other provider but the downside is that they do not like integration and make it impossible to do what I want to do. When a subscriber unsubscribes from an email list there is no way to setup any kind of automation rule which I could use to notify either aMember or my custom software that they have unsubscribed. I have asked GetResponse if they can do what I need and they cannot.

The aMember Email System

On the day that I started typing out this blog post the support guys at aMember got back to me and gave me some help with their email system. I have since installed the aMember trial software and started to set things up and test them out. There is good news and bad news. The good news is that they do have a decent auto-responder built into their software.

You can setup a sequence for each product you wish to protect and you can even setup a separate sequence for members who allow their subscriptions to lapse. The bad news is that the system is setup to allow the members to unsubscribe from the email list independently of their accounts. This is to be expected for a paid product but in my case I only want this integration for my free product so I am still stuck.

Is This a Problem That Doesn’t Need to Be Solved?

I once had a colleague years ago who always came out with words of wisdom and one particular gem that I always remember is that when you have to try that hard to solve a problem, you’re probably trying to solve the wrong problem.

In essence, what I am trying to do is force the users of my free tools to receive my emails. Do I really need to do that? When I wrote my post on email list marketing one of the first things that I explained is that there will always be a huge majority of people who are simply ‘freebie seekers’ and who will never buy. If somebody really does not want to receive the emails that come with the software (they will be instructional, not just sales pitches) then am I really losing anything if they unsubscribe? Probably not.

Also, email is not the only selling mechanism. Anything I want to put in an email could probably go onto the website itself. I could have a place where I show training information, announcements of new features, special offers right there on the site in a place that would be seen when they login. Plus of course the software itself is a selling tool – if the users like what it can do then that will encourage them to upgrade if they are interested in the advanced features.

So for the moment I have decided to forget about this problem and just use the in-built autoresponder that comes with aMember. However it would still be interesting to know if others have come across this problem and how they solved it if they were able to. If that’s you, please leave a comment. Also, I will post a general update on the software project next week.


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27 Comments:

angrymarketer
April 23, 2009

Bit of a roundabout way of doing things, but anything is possible, soooo…knock up a php script that logs into aweber, runs an unsubscriber report for the previous day and downloads it (curl is your friend here), and does the necessary in your amember db (maybe amember provide hooks to do this, if not, got direct to the db). Shove that in your crontab and you’re golden.

Glen Allsopp
April 23, 2009

Is there any reason you didn’t want to use something like aMember in the first place? It sounds like it has all the features you want, although I’m not sure if the have the aweber unsubscribes linked together.

I know you wanted to get back into programming etc but maybe you could have just done that for the tools you wish to offer?

Look forward to seeing what you come up with anyway, I seen your tweet about this but sadly I’m not much of a coder ;)

I hope you work it out

Cheers,
Glen

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Alan
April 23, 2009

Um, include a link in the email they have to click which allows the user to login. When you send the next email disable all free users logins until they’ve clicked the link in the next email. Simples?

Andreas Nurbo
April 23, 2009

It is not user friendly to have a connection between unsubscribe from list and terminate membership. Terminate membership-> unsubscribe works but not the other way around.
Like I said on Twitter in not so many words (DMMT ;).

If they have to be on the list to use the tools the the product ain’t free. It sounds a lot like the call for free but you need to listen to adverts every couple of minutes services.

If you want to have a free product then have you looked into how different freemium models work?

Also signal 37 also have great stuff to be inspired by.

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Hendry Lee
April 23, 2009

As you know, the biggest challenge when building your own system and use your own host to send email is that deliverability suffers.

I recently setup a centralized mail server, complete with SPF and Domain Keys authentication, but Yahoo keeps deferring my email and when they accept it, it lands in the Junk box.

After a bit of research, seems like Yahoo has been using the deferred method to fight spam for quite some time.

And considering that Yahoo is now the largest free email provider, I’m really worried about this, mainly because my goal is to channelize all email from multiple servers through this dedicated mail server.

Admittedly, there’s no way to solve this problem without dirty hacks, but even with that aMember can be the block because of its encoded source that makes it impossible to modify.

Good luck with your project. I hope you find a way around it. Btw, forgetting the problem doesn’t sound bad at all. :)

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Jae Burnham
April 23, 2009

I don’t think you have a problem at all. As long as they can’t do everything with the software they are always going to be needing what you have, so they know intuitively that they need your full product.

Even though they are not getting your emails, they will be exposed to your content which will be selling them your advanced products.

If they are freebie seekers, and they keep coming back for your tools then eventually they will buy…however, if they are freebie seekers eventually they will just quite using the software anyway and you”ll have lost nothing.

Better to have them unsubscribe but still have access to the software as they will still be getting your message in one form or another.

Jae

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Margaret Flanigan
April 23, 2009

I have dealt with this by changing the membership password monthly and putting the new password in the newsletter. If anyone unsubscribes from the newsletter, they don’t get the new password. This works for me because I use a simple htaccess password system. It is easy to implement, if not very elegant.

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Corte Swearingen
April 23, 2009

While I’m certainly not an expert at what you’re trying to do, take a look at using DLGuard along with GetResponse. These two programs work nicely together. DL guard will allow you to easily create and manage a membership site while GetResponse will handle the automated member signups.

Franklin Bishop
April 23, 2009

If it was me I would rather just use another company’s software. I realize that this is something you are interested in creating yourself but it seems like the Company talked about above had everything you needed.

Maybe I’m just misunderstanding what you are saying. I have been interested in what you are doing for a while but I definitely would go amember if it was me.

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Paul
April 24, 2009

Interesting.. I use wordpress with a membership plugin http://membershipwebsitetips.com/go/wpmembership/ – it has full integration with aweber – but because it runs on wordpress, and the members are logged into wordpress, it is very easy to present them with personalised offers – even have them as sticky posts which are always at the top.

Also, when they login, with this particular plugin, you have the option of redirecting them first to a ‘news’ pages (or offer page) – before they go onto the main members pages. If you personalise this ‘offer page’ it can be very powerful.

And lastly, the plugin has a members emailing system built in (can spam compliant) so you can always contact your members via your membership site, seperately from aweber – using their membership email address.

I’ve looked at many membership systems, and this one is very clever, although easy to setup – I think it might have a solution to what you’re discussing..

all the best,
Paul.

http://membershipwebsitetips.com/go/wpmembership/

Caroline Middlebrook
April 24, 2009

@angry, yeah that is quite a good idea.

@Glenn, well I was fairly sure I was going to use aMember as I don’t really want to develop code myself if I don’t need to but I’m also going to need my own member management code of some sort as members will need accounts with my software to store all of their data.

@Andreas, yes that’s right, nothing is really ‘free’ in every sense. There is an exchange going on – member gets access to free tools in exchange for receiving emails.

@Hendry, I certainly do not want to use my own host to send email, that was never an option.

@Jae, yeah that is the conclusion I was starting to come to after a couple of days of looking into it!

@Margaret, that’s an interesting idea but if I am understanding it properly you only have one password for all members? That’s how I protect my Traffic Rush course but it is not secure at all and wouldn’t work in this case as each member needs his own account with associated password.

@Corte, oh that’s interesting. I had forgotten about DLGuard – I bought it a few months back so I’ll have a look into that, thanks for the suggestion.

@Franklin, well yeah I’d rather use existing well tested software than develop my own but I’m slightly nervous as aMember code was conflicting with my own code and they had to implement a fix so it worries me to have my app in the hands of a third party over which I have no control.

@Paul, unfortunately WordPress is no good. Aside from the member management side of things, the bulk of the website will be my own custom PHP code and this cannot easily be integrated into a CMS such as WordPress.

Thanks everybody for all your helpful suggestions!

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bladi07
April 24, 2009

well this is a lot of information for me I’m very young and new on this kind of business, I would like that some of you guys that are more experts in this post a blog easy to understand to people like me please I will be more than thankful with you guys…lot of love Bladi07

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KathyM
April 26, 2009

Caroline – I think you raised some excellent points towards the end of your post, re whether it’s a good idea (or even necessary) to force people to receive email from you.

But here’s an idea — instead of looking at it from the perspective of “forcing,” why not try “incentivizing”? What value-added content can you deliver via email that would make it worthwhile to stay subscribed?

A few ideas off the top of my head:

- Tips for using/consuming the free material
- Case studies/examples of how other customers have used the material successfully
- Subscriber-only bonuses
- Exclusive or pre-launch specials for other products
- Contests
- Priority access to you via email to get their questions answered

Be sure to tell them when they sign up why it’s in their best interests to STAY subscribed, too.

Caroline Middlebrook
April 26, 2009

@Kathy, I agree its always best to focus on the value for the reader though at this early stage I haven’t really thought too much about the content of the email sequence.

I don’t think this is a problem that needs to be solved Caroline. I can understand that you will want to keep people “locked in” but I can also see how you could get a lot more “bad will” out of this vs. the possible upside of giving away something truly valuable for free.

The free version should not include support etc. (obviously) but putting people into a corner by pressuring them to pay for the service is not a good choice IMHO.

/Mikael

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Caroline Middlebrook
April 27, 2009

@Mikael, yes and another potential upside is that it is more likely to get publicity from other bloggers etc if it’s free without any catches.

Mark Mason
April 28, 2009

One final thought — people who are only subscribing because the must are not listening anyway, and will not convert well.

I say make sure that they must opt in to get started, and then immediately offer them some value directly from the list. In other words, focus on them wanting to stay for the list content — not being required to stay for the software.

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Eddie Gear
April 28, 2009

Hi Caroline,

This is definitely something that I will try out. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,
Eddie Gear

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Blaine Moore
April 29, 2009

First – I don’t think it’s necessary to tie them together. Include ample opportunities for them to see w/i the membership interface why they want to upgrade to the “paid” version.

Second – AWeber doesn’t currently have an API but they are working on one, so hopefully within the next year or two something more robust will be available. One solution that I thought of (and which is mentioned on their API page) is to just capture the unsubscribe email message.

You can specify an email address for unsubscribe messages to go, and you could use a dedicated box that your application checks on a regular basis and can parse for unsubscribes.

Another option is to automate your full list of subscribed emails, but that’s more of a manual process since you’d have to go in and download it yourself.

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Caroline Middlebrook
April 30, 2009

@Blaine, I asked AWeber about capturing unsubscribes but currently you can only do that if the subscriber chooses to leave a comment which the vast majority do not.

But as you say, it’s becoming apparent that this close integration is over the top and shouldn’t be necessary.

Parser
May 7, 2009

Have you considered a site like EBizAc which provides
autoresponder, affiliate manager. ad tracker, mail list system,
member manager, RSS Autoresponder, digital download protector, customer support manager and more.

I use this myself and can tell you it is fantastic. All services can be integrated into any one of your sites.

In addition, The support is the best I have seen on the web.

Look at eBizAc

@Parser, I’ve never heard of that one, I’ll take a look but the fact that I have not heard of it worries me as I tend to go for market leaders.

Uncle Scrappy
May 14, 2009

Found you via Self-Made-Chick. Great post & comments from your readers!

With Yaro and Membernaire unique access to content is granted within each email in the sequence. To unsubscribe is to be cut loose from the next lesson or password. Even if not automated – the only action required would be rotating the password in your auto responder & member site. WDYT?

Regarding security… for perspective: when he first started, Ryan Deiss ran a paid membership site using a fake password for many many months (it actually didn’t matter what was entered as a password) before anyone noticed.

In terms of kicking this around: Diagnosis before prescription, test behaior.

How do people who opt out actually behave? Do they really continue to use the free membership – just grab and go? If they continue to use the free membership – is that a problem or an opportunity? The membership landing page could be blog-like requiring a click to move on – or a short video which must be played in full before redirecting to the inner sanctum.

Just because someone hasn’t opted out doesn’t mean they are reading your emails (some of my subscriptions are filtered directly to the “Trash” folder).

Looking forward to your feedback.

Scrappy

Vicky Web World
May 28, 2009

although having email list is good, I do not consider it essential for one to make money online. There are many blogger who are making 6 figure income without having an email list

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Website Tips Boy
June 29, 2009

I would suggest you buying a Autoresponder Script like EZ-Autoresponder or Interspire Email Marketer and setting it up on a VPS. Remember VPS is the way to go as too much cron jobs in shared hostings will blast it. I generally prefer Interspire and they have all the features you need I can assure you.

Hope this solves your problem.:)

John W. Furst
July 23, 2009

Hello Caroline,

A late comment! Thanks for replying to my email by the way.

I think “Uncle Scrappy” (May 14, 2009) had a good piece of advice. If your goal is to reach them with email. Then deliver the content with email exclusively.

Jeff Johnson does it this way till today that he rotates passwords from time to time for his free stuff and send them out with email.

Your friend is right, Caroline, don’t overthink this.

Yours
John
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