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July 7, 2008 Posted under: social media by Caroline Middlebrook

Okay deceiving headlines is not a tactic I usually use but I wanted to catch your attention with this one! I had a rather disturbing email today in response to my recent post warning of the dangers of including StumbleUpon in automated bookmarking tools. My reader asked the question:

“I’m just wondering whether StumbleUpon is the only social bookmarking that we shouldn’t spam?”

It Is Never Okay To Spam!

The first thought that popped into my head when I read that is that my post must somehow have sounded as if I was advocating spamming social bookmarking sites which of course is not the case. There is always an eyebrow raised when a tool comes out to automate a process which would usually be done manually. Automation saves time and usually allows the process to be done en-masse which is the case here.

The question is, how do you know what is spam and what isn’t?

Spam is a form of unwanted marketing in some form. Unwanted by whom? Unwanted by the recipient. Therefore whenever you market anything the question you should be asking yourself is, “will the recipient of this message want to hear what I have to say?”.

Private Bookmarking Has No Recipient

I’m struggling to find the right words to explain the difference between what I consider to be pure ‘bookmarking’ sites and all the other types of social sites in which other people are the recipient of your submissions. In the comments to the post Peter Buick called it the “reviewer quality score”. When you submit a page to StumbleUpon who is the recipient? The entire StumbleUpon community? When you submit a story to Digg who is the recipient? The entire Digg community. When you bookmark a page in del.icio.us who is the recipient? YOU ARE!

It just so happens that del.icio.us makes their bookmarks public so if other people want to come along and see what you have bookmarked then they are free to do so but you are not submitting the bookmark for the approval other other delicious users - they are your personal bookmarks. It matters not what other people think of them. There is no voting up of the bookmarks.

In my list of do-follow social bookmarking sites I am very careful in my selection to only include sites that have no voting component. I have had people ask me to include this site or that site and when I go and look at it I see a voting system and it doesn’t get included. Do you see the difference? When you are the only recipient of your submissions then you cannot spam yourself! As soon as other people are invited to view and vote upon your submission you introduce the possibility of spam.

Voting Based Sites Still Have A Place

I just thought I’d point out that sites like Digg, Reddit and the hundreds of other niche social sites have a place in social media but only if your content matches the subject of the site and this is where so many marketers get it wrong. I was banging my head against the wall in last year’s Thirty Day Challenge because every single day there would be messages on the forums from people confused at why their social media accounts had got banned. Why did the Digg audience not like my article about toenail clipping? Spend some time at Digg and find out…

The problem with the automated tools such as social marker is that they encourage marketers to just mass submit their content to a whole bunch of sites, many of which are highly inappropriate. This is pure laziness of behalf of the marketer. I could go and write a long post about this but the essence is that if you are going to submit some content to a site where the recipient is other people then you need to make damn sure that your content is relevant to that audience.

The way I see bookmarking is as a backlink building process and not a traffic building process. If you want traffic from Digg then that is a whole different beast and you might want to spend some time reading some of Skellie’s recent articles on that subject. If you want traffic from StumbleUpon then of course you’re enrolled on my course right? :-)

What I am trying to get across is that if you use an automated tool then make sure you do your homework first. If you are using that tool just to submit bookmarks to pure bookmarking sites with no recipient other than yourself then fine but if you start to include other sites then you are entering dangerous waters and this is where you need to make sure you know your audience and know that your content provides value to that audience or you can kiss your account goodbye!

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23 Comments:

Mark Mason
July 7, 2008

Caroline — you win the award for most compelling post title! I clicked on this right away from Twitter. Great article.

I have messed with automated tools with little success. My recommendation, pick a favorite site or two and become a popular guru. If you spread yourself too thin across the sites, you will not get the results you want.

Regards,
Mark

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Nick Stewart
July 7, 2008

When I saw the title of your post on twitter it certainly got my attention. :)

We definitely shouldn’t spam sites like SU but rather provide real value in your posts and then people will Stumble your post because it’s valuable.

A good rule of thumb is to shoot for publishing pages that are at least 3 times more valuable than the pages already bookmarked at social sites.

Put so much value into your page that it would have an actual cash value, being worth as much as a report or e-book. Information should be dense, rare, and interesting.

With that said, I have a question: Is it ok to ask a friend to stumble one of your pages and in return you will stumble one of theirs? If this is ok, then is it ok to stumble 5 friends’ pages and they stumble yours in return? How about 100 friends?

BTW, I stumbled this post but I don’t expect any stumbles in return. :)

@Mark, I certainly advocate that approach for sites with a real social component such as StumbleUpon but its not necessary for pure bookmarking sites. For those the automated tools work great.

@Nick, I’ve heard that value formula before. Great in theory but how do you measure value? I don’t really believe in stumble exchanges in that way but I do have an article in the advanced course that explains how to go about asking for stumbles. The problem with the concept of an ‘exchange’ is that you might feel forced into thumbing up something that is poor quality and that will hurt your profile.

Michael Aulia
July 8, 2008

I usually very selective when asking people to stumble my posts. Usually if it’s a review or at least my own article (like this post), then I want to share it to others

Sometimes it amazes me that people actually asked me to stumble posts like their personal life or on your example, clipping their toe nails :)

Unless you know the person, you won’t bother reading posts like that, will you

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Steve Mills
July 8, 2008

Hi Caroline,

Thanks for writing this article. I think that every Internet Marketer has to respect the sites that they are marketing in. If Digg or StumbleUpon are flooded with IM content then no one will use them, and the valuable resource that they are will be ruined.

Online marketers must realise that they can damage their personal brand by annoying people in inappropriate places.

I agree - only submit to the niche sites that are relevant to your topic. Digg upcoming business is full of “make money online” news that clearly will never get to the front page, and I spend a good portion of my time there burying it.

As far as I know there is only one make money online digg clone - our site http://www.carnivalofmakingmoneyonline.com.

Please, if you’ve got a make money online story, submit it to us where people are actually interested in the topic - not to to the hundreds of sites dedicated to other topics.

No ulterior motive whatsoever in this comment.

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Gaje Master
July 8, 2008

Finally someone with some sense. I have seen many do this and a lot of them don’t understand the consequences of their actions. I am glad that you explained why it isn’t right to spam social networking sites.

@Carnival, actually there are a few niche social media sites related to IM - namely Sphinn, PlugIM and Blogging Zoom, and another one I don’t remember the name of - Marktd or something similar.

Nancy Redford
July 8, 2008

Hi Caroline,

Glad to see you back in ‘blog posting mode’!

I agree that you need to make sure that the sites you submit to are relevant to your content otherwise you are not contributing value to the current readership.

Good to be friends with YOU on Facebook and other social networking sites.

By the way I Stumbled this a post because I truly like it ;-)

Take care,

Nancy

Forgot to share my latest post here:
http://www.miriadz.com/blog/643/stressed-out-no-computer-yet-kissed-by-an-angel

Hendry Lee
July 8, 2008

Caroline, I can see your point now.

Delicious is a nofollow site for exactly the same reason that I said in the last comment:

“Social bookmarking is not a place to get inbound links. At least it was not designed as such.”

While I agree that anyone can do anything with their personal bookmark, delicious was designed for anything but blatant submission of own site pages although it do little to no harm if used this way.

The community is going to benefit from the “social” vote of the pages. “Vote” in delicious means differently from the one in SU. But still, in delicious, once you bookmark a page, you are voting it so it appears in the popular tag page or homepage.

Private collection may not make a difference. It won’t have enough “votes” to make it a popular page, unless of course, many people are bookmarking the same page.

Personal bookmarks won’t dilute the value of the site and people don’t get much from doing so because of the nofollow attribute.

Spamming is still possible though with random user accounts, proxy and automatic submission of the same page to increase the “votes.”

When you look at it from this standpoint, suddenly it becomes something unsolicited by the recipient, because what they submit may affect what the visitors see.

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The Net Fool
July 9, 2008

I still want my 17 websites! Haha, great post Caroline… I love the marketing tactic, and yes, I totally agree with you that it’s never good to spam! :)

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Beth
July 9, 2008

Caroline, I found you on StumbleUpon and have been reading for just a short while. I like how you tell it like it is, no holds barred, and am trying to clear the time for your free Stumble course.

You go girl - you go!

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John Sullivan
July 9, 2008

Hi Caroline
That’s some good writing right there.Let me tell you I very rarely read anything on other people’s blogs word for word.And I read more then this post.Well I’m going to tell you this I like you and the way you think and write and I like your blog ALOT and I never say that ;)My hats off to you for the excellent job you’ve done on your awesome BLOG You should be proud and I see them all;)
See You around Thanks
My blog is dofollow Thanks

@Hendry, yeah delicious is no-follow but for other bookmarking sites many of them are do-follow and they can be an excellent source of backlinks. If you’re bookmarking content from a small niche site then its unlikely to get to a popular status.

@B3th & John, Thank you very much! :-)

Jared Stenzel
July 10, 2008

As soon as I saw this in my feed I thought I’d catch you in advertising spam as a technique to become a good blogger. The first paragraph ruined this hope though ;)

Great content though. Good to see some more posts starting to come in more frequently.

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@Jared, lol sorry to disappoint! If I do ever mind myself in that trap I’m sure I’ll receive many a virtual spank from the many people online who know me better!

Web Design Glasgow
July 11, 2008

This is clearly a grey area. I might be inclined to suggest that using a service contrary to the use for which it was intended also came under the umbrella of spam

Perhaps del.icio.us don’t specify in their T&Cs not to bookmark all your own pages for the purpose of backlinks, with no intention of ever referencing the collection for the purpose of visiting one of those pages, but it would be a shame if our evaluations were reduced to such technicalities, analogous to a dangerous drunk driver escaping a charge because the officer neglected to read them their rights.

Which is not to say I’ve not delved into my share of grey-hat activities along the way :0) It’s worth reflecting however, and striving to improve - great article.

@Web Design, true you could say that if you use such a service purely for self promotion then you are not using it in the way in which it was designed and that can be labelled spam. It is indeed a grey area!

Mark Mason
July 13, 2008

@Caroline — you are right of course. Nothing wrong with automation of bookmarking sites, provided that you are bookmarking something that deserves bookmarking.

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Excellent post! Social news sites are good traffic bringers but only if you participate and contribute with links to quality content. Submitting only your own content is a guaranteed way to get banned.Also, choosing a few core social sites that you build up your profiles on and use regularly is a good idea.

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Hi Caroline,

My question about this strategy is: does it work? The whole point of all these bookmarks is to get backlinks to our site and content. So, you have a list of sites that are dofollow. In theory, we should get tons of backlinks from them.

However, for a time I used your list and submitted bookmarks to the top ones, all which are dofollow sites (Backflip, Bibsonomy, etc). I verified the links to make certain that they were. But, when I go into Google Webmaster Tools, and check all my pages with external links, NONE of these dofollow links show up. Not a single one.

I did about 30 articles over a few months on 6 sites. I should have had 180 links. But Google reports -0-.

So, my questions are:

1. Are there better ways to verify backlinks? Is Google Webmaster Tools not accurate?

2. Does Google know that Backflip, Linkagogo, etc, are all filled with IM and thus it ignores the dofollow?

3. Is this strategy no longer effective?

Thanks for the answers!

A follow-up to my last comment: dofollow blogs DO show up at Google Webmaster Central. Every time I leave comment on a dofollow blog, I do get a backlink according to Google.

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@Tom, to be honest, I don’t know. I don’t use this strategy for this blog, I only used it for one niche site which I haven’t worked on in months so I never really did any extensive testing. I’ll be trying it out again in August/September when I build some new niche sites though.


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